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The Indictment of Charles McGonigal

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One evening in May 2017, Charles “Charlie” McGonigal was about to take the stage to give a talk to the Foreign Policy Association when he learned that less than four months into his presidency, Donald Trump had fired FBI Director James Comey.

At the time, McGonigal was one of the most senior officials in the FBI – special agent in charge [SAC] of the bureau’s prestigious counterintelligence division in New York City. He let the audience know how much he would miss his boss: “Director Comey was probably one of the most loved leaders that we’ve had in a number of years commanding a leadership role in the FBI,” McGonigal told the crowd. “I think many of us who were nominated for leadership positions by him will forever hold him in esteem as we progress through our FBI careers.”

According to an indictment in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, the next significant step in McGonigal’s own FBI career was agreeing to work secretly for the powerful Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska.

In the stylized jargon of the Department of Justice indictments, complete with its idiosyncratic capitalization, the indictment states flatly how McGonigal was recruited by a former Soviet diplomat, Sergey Shestakov: “In or about 2018, while McGONIGAL was still serving as SAC, SHESTAKOV introduced McGONIGAL via email to an employee and agent of Deripaska (‘Agent-1’).” Prosecutors maintain that McGonigal collected $225,000 from a sometime “employee of a foreign intelligence service” while serving as special agent in charge of FBI counterintelligence efforts in the New York Office. McGonigal retired from the FBI later that year, in September 2018.

It has widely been noted this week that McGonigal was a key player in the “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation that targeted Trump and his advisers. But what about after he left the FBI? It turns out that McGonigal would still have a visible role in intelligence and threat assessment, often at conferences he participated in or organized, even while working for the Russians.

After he left the FBI in 2018, the indictment alleges, McGonigal and his Russian comrade continued efforts on behalf of Oleg Deripaska. “In 2021,” it states, “McGonigal and Shestakov conspired to provide services to Deripaska, in violation of U.S. sanctions imposed on Deripaska in 2018.”

McGonigal also took a job as a senior vice president of “Global Security and Life Safety” at the U.S. division of Brookfield, an international real estate company. In that capacity he co-chaired a “Homeland Security Task Force” assembled to meet the threat of “election-related security issues.” At a remote task force meeting in October 2020, there were presentations by Michael Burgwald, assistant section chief of the FBI’s Domestic Terrorism Operations Section, Counterterrorism Division, and Branden Fuller, unit chief of the Strategic Engagement Unit in the bureau’s Counterterrorism Division.

At that conference, McGonigal boasted about his connections with U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies. “Our well-established industry relationship with federal, state, and local law enforcement partners and homeland security officials facilitates a robust information-sharing exchange that benefits both the commercial facilities sector and government officials,” he said. “We rely on timely updates from them and they look to us for insight on threats to commercial real estate.”

At the same time, McGonigal was one of the intelligence community specialists issuing warnings about voting security and possible election violence.

In October of 2020 McGonigal participated in an Atlantic Council online seminar on the threat posed by Russia’s domestic intelligence service, entitled “How did Russia’s security services capture the Kremlin?” McGonigal stated that what had happened in Russia “would be akin to having in the United states the FBI as a rogue element operating at the behest of the highest bidder, engaged in criminal activities.” It is an analogy that now seems to cut too close to the bone.

Consider the description of McGonigal’s actions presented by prosecutors: “McGonigal and Shestakov agreed to and did investigate a rival Russian oligarch in return for concealed payments from Deripaska. As part of their negotiations with Deripaska’s agent, McGonigal, Shestakov, and the agent attempted to conceal Deripaska’s involvement by, among other means, not directly naming Deripaska in electronic communications, using shell companies as counterparties in the contract that outlined the services to be performed, using a forged signature on that contract, and using the same shell companies to send and receive payment from Deripaska.”

If the charges against McGonigal prove true, his corruption of the FBI continued long after he left the bureau.

The indictment of a top FBI Russia hand for working hand-in-glove with the very Russians he was supposed to be monitoring may be the most shocking of the many astonishing embarrassments to befall the FBI since it put presidential candidate – and then president – Donald Trump in its crosshairs.  

So far, the FBI has exhibited little sense of shame over its many missteps and sketchy actions characterizing its Trump-Russia investigation.

Disgraced former FBI agent Andrew McCabe was discussing government ethics on CNN this very week. Mike Pence, Joe Biden, and Trump had committed “serious violations of pretty clear rules” with their handling of presidential papers, McCabe told Anderson Cooper. No mention was made of McCabe’s own firing for lying to an Inspector General investigating the politicization of “Crossfire Hurricane,” a probe led by McCabe.

Meanwhile, former FBI lawyer James Baker is back in the news. Another high-ranking official in the middle of the bureau’s investigations of Trump, Baker left the FBI under a cloud after being investigated for leaking material to the press. Baker was never charged with wrongdoing, but he was recently fired by Elon Musk when it turned out that while employed at Twitter, he helped lead the social platform’s censoring efforts.

Then there’s the curious case of Kevin Clinesmith, the FBI lawyer who undermined the credibility of the nation’s highly sensitive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court – those were the words of the federal judge who accepted his guilty plea. In his zeal to get Trump, Clinesmith misrepresented facts to a FISA court to the point of doctoring emails so he could obtain a warrant to spy on Trump campaign aide Carter Page.

Although prosecutors recommended a seven-month prison stint, Clinesmith was sentenced to community service, and later reinstated to the D.C. bar.

Jim Comey, the official all these men reported to, told Trump before his own firing, “I don’t do sneaky things, I don’t leak, I don’t do weasel moves.” At the time, it was learned later, Comey was leaking secret FBI memos about Trump to a friend in hopes of placing stories in the New York Times that would generate the appointment of a special prosecutor.

The indictment of Charles McGonigal, if proven, deals with behavior that goes far beyond such “weasel moves.” It’s more than just a run-of-the-mill felony, too. It’s the exact behavior the FBI hierarchy twisted itself into knots trying to pin on Donald Trump: collusion with Russia. Actions that the special prosecutor whom Comey helped create, by the way, did not find.

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Former FBI official charged with violating Russia sanctions, money laundering

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Washington — The former top counterintelligence official at the FBI’s New York field office has been arrested and charged with violating U.S. sanctions on Russia and money laundering, the Justice Department said Monday.

Charles McGonigal, 54, was accused in a five-count indictment of working for Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, who has been under U.S. sanctions since 2018. Sergey Shestakov, a former Russian diplomat turned U.S. citizen who worked as an interpreter for federal courts and prosecutors, was also charged in the scheme.

Federal prosecutors allege the pair worked for Deripaska to investigate an unnamed rival Russian oligarch in 2021 in violation of U.S. sanctions and worked to conceal their activity. Shestakov faces an additional charge of lying to FBI investigators. 

McGonigal retired in 2018 after 22 years with the bureau, most recently as a special agent in charge of the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division in New York. The Justice Department said he “supervised and participated in investigations of Russian oligarchs, including Deripaska.”

In a separate case, McGonigal is also facing federal charges in the District of Columbia related to at least $225,000 in cash he allegedly received from a person with business interests in Europe and who worked for a foreign intelligence service. 

In that nine-count indictment also unsealed Monday, McGonigal allegedly hid from the FBI the nature of his relationship with the former foreign security officer, who later served as a source for the bureau in a criminal investigation involving foreign political lobbying. McGonigal purportedly had “official supervisory responsibility” over the lobbying activities, the Justice Department said in a release. 

He appeared virtually before the federal court in Washington on Wednesday and pleaded not guilty.

According to the 21-page indictment unsealed in the New York case on Monday, federal prosecutors said McGonigal knew his actions violated sanctions because, in his capacity as the special agent in charge, he received then-classified information that Deripaska would be added to a list of oligarchs with close ties to the Kremlin who were considered for sanctions.

The sanctions stemmed from Russia’s annexation of the Crimea region of Ukraine in 2014, and Deripaska was punished for having “acted or purported to act” on behalf of a senior Russian government official and for operating in Russia’s energy sector, according to the Treasury Department.

The indictment alleges that McGonigal, while still working at the FBI, was introduced by Shestakov to an “employee and agent” of Deripaska around 2018. The unidentified agent was a former diplomat with Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs and believed to be a Russian intelligence officer. The agent also worked for and reported to Deripaska, according to the court filing.

After McGonigal retired from the FBI, he and Shestakov introduced the Russian agent in 2019 to an international law firm in Manhattan, who the agent sought to retain to have sanctions against Deripaska removed, according to the indictment.

During talks with the firm, which was not identified in court filings, McGonigal met with Deripaska and others in London and Vienna, prosecutors said. Deripaska ultimately signed an engagement letter with the law firm to undertake efforts regarding the sanctions, with Deripaska agreeing to pay the firm $175,000 per month, with $25,000 “earmarked” for “certain other professionals,” the indictment said.

The law firm retained McGonigal as a consultant and investigator on the matter involving Deripaska, federal prosecutors said, and McGonigal purportedly asked the firm to pay him by sending $25,000 to a corporation owned by Shestakov. According to the indictment, the payment was made, but the COVID-19 pandemic interrupted the law firm’s work for Deripaska, and work ceased around March 2020.

In addition to the legal work, McGonigal and Shestakov were recruited by the Russian agent to work directly for Deripaska on a “non-legal matter” around the spring of 2021, the indictment stated. The project involved investigating an unnamed rival oligarch’s interests in a Russian corporation, which Deripaska and the oligarch were contesting control over; assets the oligarch may have hidden outside Russia; and the possibility that the oligarch secretly had a passport issued by a different country. 

In August 2021, McGonigal, Shestakov and the Russian intelligence operative allegedly executed a contract under which a New Jersey-based corporation owned by McGonigal’s friend would receive $51,280 from a Cyprus corporation, as well as monthly payments of $41,790 for “business intelligence services, analysis and research” relevant to the Russian corporation, its business operations and shareholders.

While the payments under the contract would be made to McGonigal and Skestakov on Deripaska’s behalf, none of the parties were named in or signed the contract, federal prosecutors said.

According to the Justice Department, the $51,280 was wired on Aug. 13, 2021, from a Russian bank to the New Jersey corporation, followed by the monthly payments between Aug. 18 and Nov. 18 of that year.

Federal prosecutors alleged McGonigal participated in his friend’s business while working at the FBI, receiving a corporate email account and cellphone under a fake name to hide his work. But McGonigal said he never informed his friend that he was using the New Jersey company to receive payments through the contract with Deripaska, according to the indictment.

Shestakov allegedly forged the friend’s signature on the contract without permission. When questioned about the payments from a Russian bank, McGonigal told his friend it was for “legitimate work” he was performing for a “rich Russian guy,” prosecutors said.

McGonigal’s investigation into Deripaska’s rival oligarch and the Russian corporation spanned from August 2021 to November 2021, during which a subcontractor told McGonigal a third party found “dark web” files that could show “hidden assets valued at more than” $500 million, the Justice Department alleged.

McGonigal and Shestakov then worked to obtain money from Deripaska to buy the “dark web” files, though the activity largely ended in late November 2021 when FBI agents, acting pursuant to a search warrant, seized the pair’s personal electronic devices, according to prosecutors.

After the seizure, Shestakov met with FBI agents at a Manhattan restaurant, during which he allegedly tried to hide the nature and depth of his relationship with McGonigal and the Russian agent. 

FBI Director Christopher Wray praised FBI investigators for their investigation of McGonigal. “The way we maintain the trust and confidence of the American people is through our work—showing, when all the facts come out, that we stuck to the process and we treated everyone equally, even when it is one of our own,” Wray said in a statement Monday.

“The FBI will go to great lengths to investigate and hold accountable anyone who violates the law, including when the individual is an FBI employee,” he added. “We hold ourselves to the highest standard, and our focus will remain on our mission and on doing the right thing, in the right way, every time.”

McGonigal and Shestakov are charged in the Southern District of New York with one count of conspiring to violate and evade U.S. sanctions, one count of violating the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, one count of conspiring to commit money laundering and one count of money laundering. Each of the charges carry a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

Shestakov is also charged with one count of making false statements, for which he could face up to five years in prison.

The FBI in October 2021 searched two homes belonging to Deripaska, one in Washington, D.C., and a second in New York’s Greenwich Village, which were said to be part of an ongoing investigation in New York.

The Russian billionaire rose to prominence during former special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election for his links to Paul Manafort, a former chairman of former President Donald Trump’s campaign.

Robert Legare contributed to this report.

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The FBI Misjudged the Villain of Russiagate for Years  

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The arrest and indictment of a former senior FBI counterintelligence agent has reopened an embarrassing subject for the FBI and the Department of Justice.

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The FBI Misjudged the Villain of Russiagate for Years

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The arrest and indictment of a former senior FBI counterintelligence agent has reopened an embarrassing subject for the FBI and the Department of Justice.

The former special agent in charge of the FBI's counterintelligence division in New York, Charles McGonigal, leaves court January 23, 2023, at New York.

The former special agent in charge of the FBI’s counterintelligence division in New York, Charles McGonigal, leaves court January 23, 2023, at New York. AP/John Minchillo

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Biden to slam Republican tax plan

(NewsNation) — President Joe Biden is set to deliver his first major economic speech of the year Thursday afternoon, expected to slam the GOP bill to abolish the tax code.

According to one administration official, Biden plans to go on the offensive, shining a spotlight on a Republican economic plan that would impose a 30% national sales tax on everything Americans purchase and abolish income taxes, estate taxes, payroll taxes and virtually end the IRS.

The president believes the plan would do serious damage to the economy if it were ever adopted.

Democrats also said the plan at face value is a political loser for Republicans with congressional Democratic leaders rushing to bring attention to it.

They believe that getting rid of income tax in favor of a super-sized sales tax will seriously affect lower-income and middle-class Americans while benefiting wealthier Americans who currently shoulder most of the tax burden in the U.S.

But frustration over the $80 billion funding boost for the IRS passed by Democrats last year has Republicans wanting to make bold statements about changing the tax code — including scrapping it altogether.

Rep. Buddy Carter (R-Ga.) introduced the Fair Tax Act, defending the plan to NewsNation by saying it’s more of a fair tax code and lower-income Americans would get a monthly payment to help cover their costs.

That means workers would get to keep the entirety of their paychecks without having to pay out anything to the government. But it also means that buying everything from groceries to automobiles would be hugely more expensive. 

“This is the most fair tax you can get,” Carter said. “And I would submit to you, has it worked in other places? Let’s look at Texas and Florida. Texas and Florida don’t have income taxes. All they have is sales tax. Two of the biggest economies in the world. And they are doing fine with it.“

Versions of the far-reaching plan have been around for decades. However, it is important to remember that while Republicans control the House, Democrats still hold the Senate and the White House. Plus, while the plan does have support among a growing number of Republicans, there are many — including House Speaker Kevin McCarthy — who say they’d vote against it.

For now, the chances of this plan becoming a law are slim at best.

NewsNation affiliate The Hill contributed to this report.

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The National Security Implications of Charles McGonigal’s Arrest

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Charles McGonigal, the former special agent-in-charge (SAC) of foreign counterintelligence at the FBI’s New York field office, has been arrested and charged with sanctions violations and money laundering for his alleged involvement with a Russian oligarch. An indictment is only the government’s version of what’s often a complex story, McGonigal retained distinguished counsel, and we’re certain to learn more. But if a counterintelligence official that senior was indeed turned by foreign governments, it’s a serious blow to American interests.

The government unsealed separate indictments in New York and Washington on Monday. The New York indictment charges McGonigal with sanctions violations and money laundering. The Treasury Department sanctioned Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, a Vladimir Putin associate, in 2018. The Justice Department alleges that while McGonigal was still with the bureau, a suspected Russian intelligence officer working for Deripaska approached him to obtain an internship for his daughter with the New York Police Department. McGonigal allegedly obliged, and to the NYPD’s surprise, the Russian officer’s daughter claimed to police that he’d provided her with access to confidential FBI information.

According to the indictment, after retiring from the FBI, McGonigal met with Deripaska abroad while the latter sought a law firm to represent him in efforts to be delisted as a sanctioned entity. The firm retained McGonigal as an investigator for $25,000. Subsequently, DOJ alleges, McGonigal illegally began working directly for Deripaska to investigate another oligarch, in return for a $51,000 retainer and $42,000 per month. McGonigal allegedly laundered these payments through an unidentified New Jersey business owned by a friend, which he’d previously joined, using a fake identity, while still with the FBI.

The Washington indictment charges McGonigal with false statements regarding his finances and foreign contacts and travel while at the FBI. McGonigal received at least $225,000 while still at the bureau to help current and former Albanian and Bosnian officials (including Albania’s prime minister) try to arrange meetings with senior U.S. officials, according to the indictment. Allegedly, he even opened FBI criminal investigations at their request.

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Russia’s ‘Mega’ T-14 Armata Tank Deployment Not All it Seems

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Russia’s plans to deploy the supposedly invincible tank to the frontline looks more like smoke and mirrors.

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Analysis: Stakes rise as Iran can fuel ‘several’ atom bombs

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — Iran has enough highly enriched uranium to build “several” nuclear weapons if it chooses, the United Nations’ top nuclear official is now warning. But diplomatic efforts aimed at again limiting its atomic program seem more unlikely than ever before as Tehran arms Russia in its war on Ukraine and as unrest shakes the Islamic Republic.

The warning from Rafael Mariano Grossi of the International Atomic Energy Agency, in response to questions from European lawmakers this week, shows just how high the stakes have become over Iran’s nuclear program. Even at the height of previous tensions between the West and Iran under hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad before the 2015 nuclear deal, Iran never enriched uranium as high as it does now.

For months, nonproliferation experts have suggested Iran had enough uranium enriched up to 60% to build at least one nuclear weapon — though Tehran long has insisted its program is for peaceful purposes. While offering a caveat on Tuesday that “we need to be extremely careful” in describing Iran’s program, Grossi bluntly acknowledged just how large Tehran’s high-enriched uranium stockpile had grown.

“One thing is true: They have amassed enough nuclear material for several nuclear weapons, not one at this point,” Grossi said.

The Argentine diplomat then referred to Benjamin Netanyahu’s famous 2012 speech to the United Nations, in which the Israeli prime minister held up a placard of a cartoon-style bomb with a burning wick and drew a red line on it to urge the world to not allow Tehran’s program to highly enrich uranium. While the 2015 nuclear deal drastically reduced Iran’s uranium stockpile and capped its enrichment to 3.67%, Netanyahu successfully lobbied then-President Donald Trump to withdraw from the accord and set up the current tensions.

“You remember there was to be this issue of the breakthrough and Mr. Netanyahu drawing things at the U.N. and putting lines — well, that is long past. They have 70 kilograms (155 pounds) of uranium enriched at 60%. … The amount is there,” Grossi said. “That doesn’t mean they have a nuclear weapon. So they haven’t proliferated yet.”

But the danger remains. Analysts point to what happened with North Korea, which had reached a 1994 deal with the U.S. to abandon its nuclear weapons program. The deal fell apart in 2002. By 2005 and wary of U.S. intentions after its invasion of Iraq, Pyongyang announced it had built nuclear weapons. Today, North Korea has ballistic missiles designed to carry nuclear warheads that are capable of reaching the U.S.

Iran’s mission to the U.N. did not immediately respond to a request for comment Thursday on Grossi’s remarks and authorities in Tehran did not directly acknowledge them. However, Iranian state television quoted Mohammad Eslami, the head of the country’s civilian nuclear program, on Thursday as saying Tehran would welcome a visit by Grossi to the country.

Iranian diplomats for years have pointed to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s preachings as a binding fatwa, or religious edict, that Iran wouldn’t seek an atomic bomb. However, Iranian officials in recent months have begun openly talking about the prospect of building nuclear weapons.

Talks between Iran and the West ended in August with a “final text” of a roadmap on restoring the 2015 deal that Iran until today hasn’t accepted. As Iran’s rial currency plunges further to historic lows against the dollar, Iranian officials including Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian make unsupported claims about American officials agreeing to their demands or frozen money abroad being released.

At the State Department, the denials about Iran’s claims have grown more and more pointed.

“We’ve heard a number of statements from the Iranian foreign minister that are dubious if not outright lies, so I would just keep that broader context in mind when you point to statements from the Iranian foreign minister,” State Department spokesperson Ned Price said Monday in a response to a question.

Price and others in President Joe Biden’s administration say any future talks with Iran remain off the table as Tehran cracks down on the months-long protests after the death of Mahsa Amini, a young woman detained in September by the country’s morality police. At least 527 people have been killed and over 19,500 arrested amid the unrest, according to Human Rights Activists in Iran, a group monitoring the protests.

Another part of the Americans’ exasperation — and increasingly of the Europeans as well — comes from Iran arming Russia with the bomb-carrying drones that repeatedly have targeted power plants and civilian targets across Ukraine. It remains unclear what Tehran, which has a strained history with Moscow, expects to get for supplying Russia with arms. One Iranian lawmaker has suggested the Islamic Republic could get Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets to replace its aging fleeting comprised primarily of pre-1979 American warplanes, though such a deal hasn’t been confirmed.

Such fighter jets would provide a key air defense for Iran, particularly as its nuclear sites could increasingly be eyed. Israel, which has carried out strikes to halt nuclear programs in Iraq and Syria, has warned it will not allow Iran to obtain a nuclear bomb.

The U.S. and Israel also launched its largest-ever joint air, land and sea exercise this week called Juniper Oak that the Pentagon described as “not meant to be oriented around any single adversary or threat.” However, it comes amid the heightened tensions with Iran and includes aerial refueling, targeting and suppressing enemy air defenses — capabilities that would be crucial in conducting airstrikes.

For now, Grossi said there was “almost no diplomatic activity” over trying to restore the Iran nuclear deal, an agreement he now describes as “an empty shell.” But he still urged more diplomacy as Tehran still would need to design and test any possible nuclear weapon.

“We shouldn’t give up,” he said.

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EDITOR’S NOTE — Jon Gambrell, the news director for the Gulf and Iran for The Associated Press, has reported from each of the Gulf Cooperation Council countries, Iran and other locations across the world since joining the AP in 2006. Follow him on Twitter at www.twitter.com/jongambrellAP.

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I Played Basketball With Kobe Bryant During the Prime of His Career. Here’s What It Was Like

Since Kobe Bryant died—along with his 13-year-old daughter, Gianna, and seven others—in a helicopter crash three years ago today, I’ve heard from friends, including ones I haven’t spoken to in years, on what seems like a weekly basis. They’ve all, by happenstance, come across a clip, most often on Instagram or TikTok, of Kobe Bryant discussing foul-shooting technique, or sharing his tricks of the trade on defense. Is that really you, they often ask, with him in the video, asking questions? (It is.)

The latest instance was Tuesday night, when a high school classmate pinged me on Instagram. And there I was, in another IInstagram reel, playing meek defense on Bryant, as he mockingly tells me, “don’t reach!” The user put an emotive piano tune over the action, serving as a somber reminder that he’s gone.

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When TIME produced that video, in which Kobe Bryant gives me (and fans worldwide) a free basketball lesson, almost 14 years ago, no one could ever imagine what it would become: a viral memorial to Bryant’s undeniable charisma, competitive drive, and unabashed love of the game. The video, designed to provide beginning players and weekend warriors with tips on improving their hoops games, was plenty popular before Bryant’s passing: the 7-minute, 36-second clip had amassed some 4 million views on TIME’s YouTube page in the first 11 years of its existence. But in the three years since the crash, that audience has more than doubled: the Kobe “Free Lesson” video now has more than 9 million views, making it the third most-watched YouTube video in TIME history, behind a feature about the 9/11 “Falling Man” photo (22 million), and a 40-second clip showing “The Awkward Moment When Vladimir Putin Got A Puppy As A Gift” (11 million).

The Kobe video has attracted an ever bigger audience on social media, thanks to intrepid users packaging portions of the clip across platforms. A personal favorite: after LeBron James missed two key foul shots late in a game early in his Los Angeles Lakers tenure—the Lakers lost—one wise guy mocked him by superimposing LeBron’s head over my body. “LeBron” listens intently as Kobe explains Foul Shooting 101.

The Pitch

People regularly ask me about how that video came about. Well, 2009 was still the somewhat early days of web video, and TIME was seeking to tell multimedia stories (We still are!) Having covered sports for some six years at that point—and having dealt with athletes and their publicists—I thought training and technique videos could be an attractive proposition for notable sports names. Athletes, as is human nature, don’t mind talking about how they do the amazing things they do. And athletes, in general, dislike talking about gossipy news of the day: who’s being a pain in the butt in the locker room, who are the weak links on the team, whether the coach is getting through to the players day-to-day.

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This pitch had none of that. This pitch was timeless. Kobe Bryant’s free-throw-shooting technique would be just as relevant in 2023, and beyond, as it would be in 2009. Parents could watch the video with their kids, and their kids would watch with their kids, and so on.

To his everlasting credit, Kobe bought in. (As did Oscar de la Hoya and Novak Djokovic and a slew of Winter Olympians in advance of the 2010 Vancouver Games. I often joke about coming up with MasterClass before MasterClass, but lacking business acumen to charge people to watch.)

An Off Day in OKC

So Vanessa Kaneshiro Garber, our video producer at the time, and I took off for Oklahoma City, where we’d meet Bryant on a Lakers off day in February. OKC was an ideal spot, as the Thunder were in their first year in Oklahoma after relocating from Seattle. Kevin Durant was a second-year player, Russell Westbrook was a rookie, and the team wasn’t very good—the Thunder finished 23-59 that season. So there was not much media in town for this game. Bryant would have time to do a demonstration, the day before L.A. faced the Thunder.

The Lakers worked out at Southern Nazarene University, and Vanessa and I arrived near the end of the L.A. practice session. In exchange for the extra court time, I wore a Southern Nazarene University T-shirt in the clip. Fair deal.

Bryant embraced the project, which put us all at ease. Still, if I come across as jittery in the video, there are good reasons. For one, I couldn’t quite believe that Bryant was doing this. Here he was, in his absolute prime—he was coming off an MVP season and about to win the first of another repeat pair of NBA titles—and he was all in. I felt less nervous than stuck in an excitable fog, knowing that we had something good.

And for another, at that point I had little on-camera experience. The biggest tell is my excessive head-nodding as Kobe speaks, which I’ve always rued. Vanessa gave me a pro tip before the interview. In off-camera conversations, journalists often use filler words—like “right”—as subjects are talking, to kind of prod interviewees along. Right, right, keep talking. But on camera, the “rights” are a distracting sound for the viewer. So Vanessa told me to nod instead. So I did heed her advice. But being green, I took it to an embarrassing extreme.

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In fact, for years after the clip posted, I had this masochistic habit of occasionally checking in on the YouTube comments. Many remarks were of a similar vein: why did TIME pick a bobblehead to talk to Kobe Bryant? The interviewer is clearly a dork who never picked up basketball before. That one rankled, as I did play in high school and college. Did you not see that hook shot, over Kobe Freaking Bryant, at the 7:05 mark? (Feel free to watch, on a loop, dear reader).

Finally, a number of years ago as I was again conducting this sorry exercise, one commenter—just one—came to my defense, noting that I had in fact had a relatively successful basketball career and was a veteran sports journalist at TIME. My pride swelled, before sinking right back into the pit of my stomach. For I then spotted the handle of my fearless advocate: SDevBronx.

I happen to know a woman with the maiden name Susan Devine—SDev—who grew up in the Bronx. The only person sticking up for me, in this mean internet world, was my mom.

Final Thoughts

A majority of the feedback, however, has been heartening. The video accomplished its goals. Commenters have said they’ve watched it dozens of time or more, and gone out to the courts to practice. Parents have seen it with their kids. Youth coaches have told me they send it to their players. Weekend warriors took to it, hoping Bryant could give them an edge. Many people seemed to return to it after Bryant died, recalling how they had watched the clip when they were younger, and looked forward to watching it with their own children.

And it’s all because of Bryant. “It was such a change for me compared to all the other celebrities we usually interview,” says Kaneshiro Garber, now a freelance producer in Hawaii, her home state. “Most celebrities treat interviews like a PR chore because they are selling movies or TV shows. It makes sense – it’s usually a sales pitch and they are exhausted saying the same thing over and over again just to sell a product. But for Kobe I could immediately tell how much he loved basketball. To go into that much detail with you: hand placement, body placement, getting your head straight, the psychology of it. He was so respectful and interested in what he was trying to communicate. You could tell he absolutely loved the work he was doing. He was really fully present with you and he was happy. It was such a rare, enjoyable day.”

Kobe Bryant was a complicated character. His passing doesn’t change that fact. He could treat teammates with disdain. The 2003 sexual assault charge against him—the case was dropped in criminal court after the alleged victim declined to testify, and a civil case was settled out of court—clouds his legacy. You can’t claim to know someone based on a 20-minute interview that’s condensed into a seven-minute clip.

But watching the “Free Lesson” today is still instructive. It’s another reminder that Bryant, who died at 41, was really just starting the off-court chapter of his life. The post-NBA career was already showing great promise—Bryant won an Oscar in 2018 for Best Animated Short Film, for example—and the video displays his smarts and curiosity. He comes across as a basketball professor. Bryant was already coaching Gianna at the youth level—they were on their way to a game that tragic day on January 26, 2020. If he ever wanted to teach the game to others, at any level, he could have made a fabulous coach. Or most likely, leader of any kind.

The conclusion of the clip hits harder now. At the end of the demonstration—and before the 40 seconds of b-roll after the credits where we’re just kind of goofing around playing one-on-one—I ask him if he has any final thoughts. “Have fun,” he says, looking straight into the camera before flashing the peace sign.

“See ya when I see ya.”

Kobe Bryant Time Magazine Cover
Photograph by Michael Muller–CPi Syndication

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